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Hanson Thread! Hanson Out!

Should we offer Hanson a new contract?

  • Definitely yes

  • Definitely no

  • Yes but on less money


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Oct 11, 2008
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It not a fallacy, it's my opinion.

As for naming names, who would've named Jamie Proctor last season and what derision would have greeted them if they had? And yet in he came, fresh from Fleetwood Town's reserves and took Jim's place under a manager who rated him so highly that he'd openly stated he'd play him at 70% fit. He's very replaceable.

I predict that (particularly under this new regime), if and when Jim goes, he'll be improved upon and in very little time next to nobody will regret him leaving.
Where is Jamie Proctor now, where are these players that would easily replace Hanson. I am more than happy to accept that there are better players out there, but we don't have them and until we do we have Hanson.
 

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Where is Jamie Proctor now, where are these players that would easily replace Hanson. I am more than happy to accept that there are better players out there, but we don't have them and until we do we have Hanson.
Proctor was signed by PP at Bolton because he obviously rated him. The same PP that rated Hanson.
 

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Where is Jamie Proctor now, where are these players that would easily replace Hanson.
He left us. By choice. And now the player that took Jim's spot can't get a sniff of Bolton's first team and is almost universally derided by the club's support. See, you're making my case for me.

I am more than happy to accept that there are better players out there
You didn't seem too happy to accept it when you were demanding they be identified.

but we don't have them and until we do we have Hanson.
And that's the crux of the matter. That Hanson is what we have is what some of us see as a problem that needs rectifying. For others he's a legend fully deserving of his spot ahead of all comers.
 
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He left us. By choice. And now the player that took Jim's spot can't get a sniff of Bolton's first team and is almost universally derided by the club's support. See, you're making my case for me.


You didn't seem too happy to accept it when you were demanding they be identified.


And that's the crux of the matter. That Hanson is what we have is what some of us see as a problem that needs rectifying. For others he's a legend fully deserving of his spot ahead of all comers.
I won't be doing the circular dance with you hobhead, I am not the person that said he was easily replaced you were. There is a better player for every single member of our squad so that's not really a contradictory statement from me. Your stretching things a little there, since Bronco departed I don't recall seeing anybody offering the opinion he must play no matter what.
 

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See my other post. The fact that Proctor's not great only reinforces how easily replaceable Hanson is.
I just stated bald facts in response to @pomfret's question.

The old 'benefit with hindsight' power does not work for me. For instance I never thought Aaron Wilbraham would score as many goals, as he did following his brief spell at VP, or that Louis Moult, would become a Scottish Messi!
 

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I won't be doing the circular dance with you hobhead, I am not the person that said he was easily replaced you were.
I know, I'm standing by it.

There is a better player for every single member of our squad so that's not really a contradictory statement from me.
I realise this but to me Jim is our biggest weak link these days but he's also the player who seems to be front of the queue when the first team spots are being handed out. He also very rarely gets dropped and never gets subbed. His lack of ability and huge amount of game time is what makes him the weakest link in our team for me. Since it looks like this will only change when he leaves then that's what I want - Jim gone.

Your stretching things a little there, since Bronco departed I don't recall seeing anybody offering the opinion he must play no matter what.
You might call it, 'stretching things', I call it exaggerating to illustrate a point :).

Besides, in Jim's defence we're constantly being told that numerous managers have offered that opinion by seeing him as automatic, first choice forward and, furthermore, that theirs is the only opinion that matters. Again, since this state of affairs looks set to continue then I'm hoping Rahic steps in and rids us of this troublesome beast.
 
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I know, I'm standing by it.


I realise this but to me Jim is our biggest weak link these days but he's also the player who seems to be front of the queue when the first team spots are being handed out. He also very rarely gets dropped and never gets subbed. His lack of ability and huge amount of game time is what makes him the weakest link in our team for me. Since it looks like this will only change when he leaves then that's what I want - Jim gone.


You might call it, 'stretching things', I call it exaggerating to illustrate a point :).

Besides, in Jim's defence we're constantly being told that numerous managers have offered that opinion by seeing him as automatic, first choice forward and, furthermore, that theirs is the only opinion that matters. Again, since this state of affairs looks set to continue then I'm hoping Rahic steps in and rids us of this troublesome beast.
Well with a new striker and BC back soon we have alternatives so maybe you won't see Jim being an automatic start. For me though he is still a useful player that gives us something different and is worth a place in the squad.
 
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He left us. By choice. And now the player that took Jim's spot can't get a sniff of Bolton's first team and is almost universally derided by the club's support. See, you're making my case for me.


You didn't seem too happy to accept it when you were demanding they be identified.


And that's the crux of the matter. That Hanson is what we have is what some of us see as a problem that needs rectifying. For others he's a legend fully deserving of his spot ahead of all comers.
I don't think there is a single poster who wouldn't accept an upgrade. The main two sides are those that appreciate Hanson for what he is and what he has done but would be happy to see an upgrade if and when that happens (but accept that he is important based on our squad right now) and those who constantly slate him no matter what and try to claim he is the worst footballer ever to wear C&A....aka The Usual Suspects.
 
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I don't think there is a single poster who wouldn't accept an upgrade. The main two sides are those that appreciate Hanson for what he is and what he has done but would be happy to see an upgrade if and when that happens (but accept that he is important based on our squad right now) and those who constantly slate him no matter what and try to claim he is the worst footballer ever to wear C&A....aka The Usual Suspects.
Hanson wouldn't get half the stick he gets if he didn't start every game when he's fit. Goal scoring has been a major issue for us over the years and personally I find it frustrating that a player who has played a major part in our lack of goals is still considered first choice when he's fit. Is he a terrible player? No he isn't but I can't wait for the day when he isn't the first name on the team sheet. If the other striker we bring in isn't a major upgrade on Hanson we will continue to struggle Imo. Even with the current strikers we have available, Hiwula has twice as many goals as him and Jones is supposed to be a good finisher so if he continues to start games it would be disappointing Imo. It will be interesting to see our points average with and without Hanson this season.
 

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I don't think there is a single poster who wouldn't accept an upgrade.
I disagree. I think there are posters for whom secretly that's exactly what they don't want. They are so utterly devoted to The Cult Of Hanson that they want Jim in regardless of whether or not he's the best option. You can see posters on here denigrating everyone from the competition for his spot, the players supplying him with 'substandard crosses' right down to the defence who require his help so much it stops him doing his own job.

So blindly do they love Wee Jim they'll slag off every other player in the team in order to defend him. Ironically they're often the first to then turn around and lambast 'Hanson Bashers' for 'negativity' and implore them to 'get behind the lad, he's been a great servant who always gives his all ffs'.

The main two sides are those that appreciate Hanson for what he is and what he has done but would be happy to see an upgrade if and when that happens (but accept that he is important based on our squad right now) and those who constantly slate him no matter what and try to claim he is the worst footballer ever to wear C&A....aka The Usual Suspects.
What about those of us who appreciate what he has done but are singularly unimpressed with what he is now? So far has he slid that I honestly no longer see this seemingly unquantifiable worth that I'm constantly being told he has. His nett contribution to a game is now so minimal that he's actually become a hindrance and often it's this 'appreciation for what he's done' and this irrational attachment to some ridiculous notion of a 'fairytale' that blinds his acolytes to what he's become.

If Jim weren't a local lad and he was starting afresh, with no everlasting Villa/Leeds/Burton credit in the bank I suspect many of even the most firmly grasping of nuthuggers might just see a different player.
 

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Hanson wouldn't get half the stick he gets if he didn't start every game when he's fit. Goal scoring has been a major issue for us over the years and personally I find it frustrating that a player who has played a major part in our lack of goals is still considered first choice when he's fit. Is he a terrible player? No he isn't but I can't wait for the day when he isn't the first name on the team sheet. If the other striker we bring in isn't a major upgrade on Hanson we will continue to struggle Imo. Even with the current strikers we have available, Hiwula has twice as many goals as him and Jones is supposed to be a good finisher so if he continues to start games it would be disappointing Imo. It will be interesting to see our points average with and without Hanson this season.
I looked the other day and our points average is miles worse with Hanson.

However by coincidence. Apart from Fleetwood we have only played relegation candidates when Hanson isn't in the team so we would be expected to beat those sides whether he played or not
 
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Clayton

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I disagree. I think there are posters for whom secretly that's exactly what they don't want. They are so utterly devoted to The Cult Of Hanson that they want Jim in regardless of whether or not he's the best option. You can see posters on here denigrating everyone from the competition for his spot, the players supplying him with 'substandard crosses' right down to the defence who require his help so much it stops him doing his own job.

So blindly do they love Wee Jim they'll slag off every other player in the team in order to defend him. Ironically they're often the first to then turn around and lambast 'Hanson Bashers' for 'negativity' and implore them to 'get behind the lad, he's been a great servant who always gives his all ffs'.


What about those of us who appreciate what he has done but are singularly unimpressed with what he is now? So far has he slid that I honestly no longer see this seemingly unquantifiable worth that I'm constantly being told he has. His nett contribution to a game is now so minimal that he's actually become a hindrance and often it's this 'appreciation for what he's done' and this irrational attachment to some ridiculous notion of a 'fairytale' that blinds his acolytes to what he's become.

If Jim weren't a local lad and he was starting afresh, with no everlasting Villa/Leeds/Burton credit in the bank I suspect many of even the most firmly grasping of nuthuggers might just see a different player.
Think you're so wrong.
 

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Brevity just doesn't suit you, Clayton :)
I know. It's a long post you did but I think the premise of it is basically wrong. I don't think people who support Hanson are nuthuggers or living off past glory. Some just think he's currently better than the alternatives (Jones excepted because I haven't seen much of him)

You seem to just classify everyone with the same 'Hanson blindness' as Bronco often displayed but very few posters make the points you claim.
 

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I know. It's a long post you did but I think the premise of it is basically wrong. I don't think people who support Hanson are nuthuggers or living off past glory. Some just think he's currently better than the alternatives (Jones excepted because I haven't seen much of him)

You seem to just classify everyone with the same 'Hanson blindness' as Bronco often displayed but very few posters make the points you claim.
I'll be honest, I really struggle with it all. I struggle to reconcile what I see the vast majority of the times he plays with the devotion he inspires.

I'm down to two explanations:

1. People are caught up in the 'romance' of it all. Local boy done good. Watching him go from the Co-op to Wembley etc has given them so much pleasure they'll love him forever regardless.

2. I'm wrong and he's actually a decent, if not good, player.

Taking into account that I'm never wrong and that only leaves us with No. 1. :D