Hanson Thread! Hanson Out!

Discussion in 'City Talk' started by Bob 'Lounge pants' fossil, Nov 5, 2016.

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Should we offer Hanson a new contract?

  1. Definitely yes

  2. Definitely no

  3. Yes but on less money

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  1. Clayton

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    3) he's an average player who often does 'okay' and no matter how hard we try to upgrade we never seem to do it.

    Nothing to do with local. Nothing to do with the Co-op. Nothing to do with Villa. Nothing to do with the story. Just that he isn't as poor in some people's eyes in comparison to the alternatives as you believe him to be.

    You view it as devotion but it really isn't.
     
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    Is this the Hanson appreciation thread?

    Oops, sorry, wrong room.
     
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    Jokes in the joke forum please.
     
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    Sorry.
     
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    Iv'e just been on the BBC Sport website and I've looked at our total points tally when Hanson starts and when he doesn't (league games only) Here are the stats:

    When Hanson starts-
    Played 14
    Points-22
    Average points per games- 1.57

    When Hanson doesn't start-
    Played-13
    Points-26
    Average points per game-2

    I don't know which one but I mistakenly counted a cup game in there which is why the total amounts to 27 games when it should be 26 but even then your statement is incorrect.
     
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    I know and reading my post back I worded it wrongly, apologies. I was aware it's worse with Hanson. I will amend the previous post.

    The second bit was supposed to clarify why it's so much worse. The teams we've played without Hanson are all relegation candidates.
     
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    Blimey. Never thought I'd live to see a Clayton retraction.
     
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    All? Fleetwood?
     
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    All was a slight exaggeration but of the games he's missed they included;

    Coventry 24th
    Oldham - 23rd
    Chesterfield (twice) - 22nd
    Bury - 21st
    Shrewsbury - 20th
    MK Dons - 17th
    Gillingham - 16th
    Northampton - 15th
    Oxford 12th
    Millwall - 11th

    That includes 6 games against the bottom 5. In comparison we only played 3 games against the top 10.

    Everybody should be able to look at those teams and expect to get results which are better than the average.

    Not saying the points per game are wrong but there are other factors which don't make it a straight like-for-like comparison.
     
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    OK, there's a lesson for the learning. Don't exaggerate.
     
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    Why? Has something terrible happened?
     
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    140 plays 67 votes at the moment in favour of giving Hanson a new contract. No Hansexit then, might need a different title though, it sounds a little crude.

    Can we close this thread now, pleeeeaaaasssse!
     
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    No Han-sex-it for me either.
     
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    Great post and highly accurate
     
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    Absolutely cracking analogy of the situation. Well said HH
     
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    I suppose it's all about how you present the data. Another way of looking at it is out of 215 votes cast 132 either want him gone or given a paycut. :)
     
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    Do you not accept that Hanson benefits from defenders who are anomalously more dogged for his benefit than for any other player?

    Edit: as I type this example has just hit the board:
    https://claretandbanter.uk/threads/...nuary-2017-window.51357/page-131#post-1133978
    It's got the lot; a little pop at his competition (Jones), a plea to not replace him (by signing ALF) and the customary vague reasons for hanging onto the security blanket of choice, 'kids know his name' and the most telling of all, 'he IS the club'. This, to me, is very strange and yet it's not uncommon. And it's only for Jim. It simply has to be something else other than simple ability or lack thereof.
     
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    No, we get shouted at for turning other threads into a hanson debate. this is our hanson bashing safe space and we need it!
     
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    For all the polarised debate, I think 95-99% of us are actually saying the same thing in very different ways.

    Is James Hanson the best out and out striker we have? Yes (excluding Alex Jones, upon whom it's far too early to pass judgement, and excluding Billy Clarke who I don't consider to be an out and out striker).

    Is James Hanson any good? No not really. That's the main reason why we've consistently been among the lowest scorers in the division.

    We need better, the owners and management team are on record as saying we need better and we're working to recruit better. When we have better we should look better as a side and score more goals.

    The rest is just noise. My take on it is that very few people are actually asserting that he's a quality footballer at this level, but that's the view I really struggle to understand. And the fact that he's paid very handsomely rubs salt into the wound because we should be seeing a quality footballer for the sort of wage bracket and automatic starting profile that seems to come with him.
     
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